![]() There’s also a 2009 off-AVEN blog post that has some more detailed musings on aces as asexual symbols.Īlso it looks like hexaquark’s asexual history writeup also has much older citations of ace of spades as ace symbolism, from 2004. In 2009 an An Ace of Spades inspired design (blended with the AVEN logo) was added to the AVENstore as a general “stealth” ace design - announcement thread and archived store.Īlso in 2009 you can also see an offhand examples of using the ace of spades symbol from heteroromantic and gynoromantic aces. (note this was also long before the green = aromantic thing!) I think finding a full history will be a bit of a history project, but here’s some quick early examples from shortly before I started lurking on AVEN: That’s not actually a bad question, because it would be good to have that info somewhere. It’s entirely possible that the spades symbol was being used that way sometime before I entered the community, but I’m pretty sure that it was being used as a pretty aroace specific symbol back in 20 (Although looking at AVEN it appears that the version I gave above is also listed as the ‘official code’ there so I guess someone must have made a decision at some point).īut yeah, like I said, I’m open to seeing new sources. I think the version I gave above might have just been the most popular meaning on tumblr at the time so that’s what I remember off the top of my head, but I think either clubs or diamonds was also sometimes used to mean questioning. It’s true that diamonds and clubs weren’t totally agreed on. If you have sources to the contrary please let me know, memory isn’t perfect, but I don’t recall the spades symbol ever being used by ace folks in a way that didn’t also explicitly include aro identity until very recently. ![]() I did sometimes see it used to represent the ace and aro communities as a connected group, but I never saw it being used to mean asexuality by itself the way I see it used now, that’s a new development as far as I’m concerned. I joined the ace community back in 2014, and I did a lot of research and got very involved very quickly but despite all that I don’t think I really saw the spades symbol used to represent aces generally until around 2017. I’m not saying you’re wrong but, but I would love to see sources on spades being a general ace symbol, to begin with, because even in the 2015 forum linked above a number of people came on to clarify that it was an aroace specific symbol. I do agree, however, that spades are unlikely to be a good general aro or allo aro symbol mostly because of the fact that the whole symbol started as an “ace” pun. Tl dr the ace of spades wasn’t “co-opted” by the rest of the ace community at all, because it’s been in use as a general ace symbol for as long as if not longer than it has been an aro ace one.Īlso, various people have proposed other meanings for clubs and diamonds over the years, not just in 2015, (I remember seeing a few different proposals back when I still used AVEN) but none of these have caught on much and you’ll get different assigned meanings from different sources. Thus, the ace of spades definitely has connotations of aromantic aces, especially in a context where multiple aces are used, but when by itself it has long been and still is a common symbol for aces of all orientations. The ace of hearts also became popular among romantic aces, although aromantic aces understandably preferred to just stick with the ace of spades for obvious reasons. In 2015 there was an event that tried to promote specific meanings for all four suits, but this was immediately criticized because you can’t fit everyone into four boxes and also why would you want to.Īlso just to further clarify the last point, for those who don’t want to click off site: the ace of spades actually started first as a general ace symbol, likely by virtue of the fact that it’s the best known playing card in popular culture (see, for example, the bicycle playing cards logo, and almost any poker advertisement ever). Diamonds and clubs did not have agreed-upon meanings. TL DR: hearts and spades have long had common meanings although not universal. Here’s a 2015 thread you may find illuminating.
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